janeg wrote: Hmmm, this is very interesting.
I am ravenous when I waken up after a fast. It's been that way since I started.
I am a very very (think glacier) slow loser.
Since I started, for my meal (one a day on fasts ) I have 2 poached eggs and 2 slices of homemade bread toasted. Usually eat about 7pm so easily a 24hour fast.
I fast 3 times a week.
I am now wondering if I don't go into ketosis overnight and if that has some bearing on the slow loss.
How do I know if I'm in ketosis? I seem to remember from nurse training that it shows in urine. Not going down that route thank you

and somethign about breathe smell.
Hmmmm again
I would miss my toast...
The classic answer to "am I in ketosis" is the question "do I feel hungry?": if the answer is a resounding "no", you're probably in ketosis (or you've just eaten!).The other test is to use "ketostix", a fiver for fifty - they're not 100% reliable, nor does the presence of ketones in urine *necessarily* indicate that you're in ketosis (or absence indicate that you're not), but if they consistently show ketones, you probably are.
Others swear by odd smelling breath (acetone scented) and likewise pee. I can't say that I've had either and I'm in ketosis most of the time (erhum, except over the festive season).
You could try an experiment @janeg? Knock out the toast and substitute in some yummy cheese for a week or two of fasts, and see if there's any difference...
Some folk reckon to need carbs before bedtime or they don't sleep - if you're one of them, try and keep the carb level as *low as possible*, say less than 10 grams (a standard slice of bread is about 13g, so your two slices is 26g - or thereabouts - which is over my repair day allowance of 19g in a oner!).
If you really can't do without bread, you could give my oat bran / linseed / soya bread a shot: takes minutes in the microwave and two thin slices (~64g) will cost you approx 200 calories and 8g carb (
progress-f4/topic6427-465.html#p129271 - double the quantity to get a real loaf shaped loaf in a 14x10cm tupperware pot).