The FastDay Forum

Caught this this morning
https://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/w ... r-slimmer/

about a lady whose life was transformed with sleeve surgery

Personally against this unless medically instructed
Have a friend that did it despite my please to look at alternatives

anyway curious what people think here in the forum.
If you didnt know otherwise, the sunrise segment makes it all look too easy. There is already an explosion in "the cut" here in some parts of Sydney.

I was inquiring about surgery when a friend pointed me to the fasting links.

I was inquiring about surgery when a friend pointed me to the fasting links.

Good to hear that you "found the right way". as mentioned unless its really the only thing and even fasting hasnt worked and the medcial practitioners (unbiased ones) say so.. cutting out 80% of the stomach or any organ cant be considered the best. once its out it out.

Yes it probably does work but there must be ways you can get same result and keep all organs intact. I dont think anyone has said the stomach is one of those "unnecessary" organs.

I have not heard of this before. Is it similar to stomach stappling?
Has research been done on these two forms above over the years and do the results indicate that people will naturall put the weight back on because they have not taught themselves anything about how their body works.
Also what are the side effects to people doing this?
5:2 is hard but once I started and began to see how easy it was (I feel I cheat using a 5:2 recipe book wih all the ingredients and calories laid out) and how the body responds so wonderfully, why go thru operations and then not learn how to weight manage
your head into a healthy lifestyle eating plan. I hope this makes sense.
Just my rant and rave..
Tenshi

Stapling is another form of bariatric or stomach surgery but the differnce is that stapling or lap bands don't remove any part of the stomach. same with bypass surgery.

Sleeving is the "new kid on the block" that involves removal of most of the stomach. They put it in the bin. so not reversible and the stomach doesnt grow back (or i dont think)

as to efficacy, long term results not 100% sure. but yes, if you dont eat much cause your stomach is only a small part of what it is.. you probably will stay slim. but at what cost. ?

If you google or anyone here googles you are likely to be lured in by those on their "journey" so dont

Silly me, I thought this might about some new method of getting rid of bingo wings from our upper arms, doh oh well, back to the drawing board, make that the cheese board but without the crackers

Ballerina x

Ditto with me was thinking about re shaping due to saggy arm skin too @Ballerina move over with the cheese platter my addition is soft blue cheese on celery yum

I thought the same as Ballerina. I agree with you cutting and throwing out the stomach seems like a terrible idea to me.

Ditto with me was thinking about re shaping due to saggy arm skin too @Ballerina move over with the cheese platter my addition is soft blue cheese on celery yum

Thats so funny @gillymaryand @ballerina
sleeving is about your stomach looking no longer like a stomach but a sleeve (a thin one) as only 20% remaining intact
rest in the bin. that sounds bad doesnt it but it is drastic s...t

The big issue with these gastric weight loss surgeries is that the surgeons only have to report deaths that occur within 6 weeks of the operations. But in the years following these surgeries, many people develop malnutrition syndromes where they are unable to get the vitamins, minerals or nutrients they need and slowly waste away. Some need to get injections of these minerals because they have lost the parts of the stomach that absorb them. Some die from malnutrition. And because there are cells that are very important in signaling the brain as to our fulness at the bottom part of the stomach, some develop severe anorexia. They blame themselves, tragically, but this is actually probably due to hormonal disruption.

Some years ago I was given a drug that mimics a specific gastric enzyme, GLP-1. When I took it, food no longer looked like food to me. It affected my brain so that the stuff on my plate looked just like the plate, and eating it would have evoked the same feelings as eating bits of the plate. It was bizarre. This drug, not so surprisingly can cause a lot of weight loss. I had to stop taking it as it also caused dramatic surges in my blood pressure, but that gave me insight into why people who have had gastric surgery sometimes starve themselves to death.

This happened to the mother of one of the contestants on American Idol years ago, Eliot Yamin. She had one of the weight loss surgeries, found herself unable to eat, and starved to death. She blamed herself for "psychological" problems, which was very sad. Even sadder was that she "looked great" on TV, and was complimented on her weight loss, only a few months before she died. Several people on another weight loss board I used to frequent reported that they had close relatives who had died a few years after having weight loss surgery. These statistics are rarely reported.

And the statistics for how many die shortly after the surgery, alone, are pretty devastating. A couple in every thousand, and there are many tens of thousands having the surgery just in the U.S.. If a drug caused that many deaths it would have been taken off the market years ago.

Noooooooo - scary stuff! (and I thought it was arm-related too!)

Which way to the cheeseboard?

My good friend had this stomach sleeve op about two years ago. She is an incest surviver and has been about a size 22-24 as long as I've known her. She has an autistic son and said that she's been trying to lose weight all her life ( has had lots of counselling and always exercised) but nothing has worked and she has to get healthy for her son. It was like that was the only answer and her last chance. It seemed so severe and final to me. It has worked for her. We ate both a size 16 now ,her weight loss has slowed down but she doesn't want to be really slim and she looks healthy and well. This was before we knew about 5:2. We both have had success with put different methods. Quite often we share 1 meal as she obviously can't fit in much and my appetite is so reduced from this WOE that that's enough for both of us. I often think that if people considering that op could only feel the benefits we get from IF it would be so wonderful if they chose this non surgical , free WOL.

Now that the cheese board is empty, you are a hungry lot, back to the topic. There have been many articles written ( I am not talking about scientific, peer reviewed , published papers here but magazine type articles ) on the subject of bariatric surgery. The one argument that seems to crop up time and again is that if you can lose weight because the amount of food ingested is drastically reduced by surgical intervention then why can these same people not lose weight by voluntarily reducing their food input? The answer would seem to lie in some sort of psychological block. This would appear to have some truth to it as people who have been hypnotised to believe that they have had the surgery also seem to lose copious amounts of weight. Having large sections of my stomach removed to get lighter makes as much sense to me as having my bingo winged arms removed to weigh less, both would achieve the same aim!

Ballerina x

[wildmissus]

I know a bloke who had stomach surgery (not sure which kind) about 5 years ago. He was eye wateringly morbidly obese and what a difference it made. I believe he lost more than 10st (140lbs) which still left him obese but in a much better position. But...it didn't last long, maybe a couple of years. He is now back to being the weight he was before - eye wateringly morbidly obese! The problem is with this kind of surgery is that the stomach can be stretched and it doesn't deal with the psychological reasons for being overweight.

The big issue with these gastric weight loss surgeries is that the surgeons only have to report deaths that occur within 6 weeks of the operations. But in the years following these surgeries, many people develop malnutrition syndromes where they are unable to get the vitamins, minerals or nutrients they need and slowly waste away. Some need to get injections of these minerals because they have lost the parts of the stomach that absorb them. Some die from malnutrition. And because there are cells that are very important in signaling the brain as to our fulness at the bottom part of the stomach, some develop severe anorexia. They blame themselves, tragically, but this is actually probably due to hormonal disruption.

Some years ago I was given a drug that mimics a specific gastric enzyme, GLP-1. When I took it, food no longer looked like food to me. It affected my brain so that the stuff on my plate looked just like the plate, and eating it would have evoked the same feelings as eating bits of the plate. It was bizarre. This drug, not so surprisingly can cause a lot of weight loss. I had to stop taking it as it also caused dramatic surges in my blood pressure, but that gave me insight into why people who have had gastric surgery sometimes starve themselves to death.

This happened to the mother of one of the contestants on American Idol years ago, Eliot Yamin. She had one of the weight loss surgeries, found herself unable to eat, and starved to death. She blamed herself for "psychological" problems, which was very sad. Even sadder was that she "looked great" on TV, and was complimented on her weight loss, only a few months before she died. Several people on another weight loss board I used to frequent reported that they had close relatives who had died a few years after having weight loss surgery. These statistics are rarely reported.

And the statistics for how many die shortly after the surgery, alone, are pretty devastating. A couple in every thousand, and there are many tens of thousands having the surgery just in the U.S.. If a drug caused that many deaths it would have been taken off the market years ago.

Wow. I didnt know this stuff @peeblesMy worry is what is going to happen in say 10 years after 10 years of possible malnourishment.
Sleeve surgery as a phenemoa i think has only a 3 or 4 year life so far.
this will make you cringe.
over 1000 commenting in facebook on Sunrise post and mostly in favour of the surgery
i can just picture queues of ladies ready with their 10k or 20k for the big cut. oh god.

https://www.facebook.com/Sunrise/photos ... =1&theater

if your a facebooker and logged in, i think this post will work. but dont bother posting as they will brandish you a "hater".