The FastDay Forum

posted on SMH site today.
by Sarah Berry.

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/diet-an ... m6dto.html

Its about the new buzz for high protein high fat foods (including those bullet proof coffees)


last few paras.. i would have to agree

"An optimal diet for preventing disease is a whole-foods, plant-based diet that is naturally low in animal protein, harmful fats and refined carbohydrates," he says.

"What that means in practice is little or no red meat; mostly vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes and soy products in their natural forms; very few simple and refined carbohydrates such as sugar and white flour; and sufficient 'good fats' such as fish oil or flax oil, seeds and nuts."

As well as diet (and the focus is quality not quantity), other interventions, including stress management, social support and moderate exercise are important.

McMillan agrees that quality over quantity and wholefoods are key.

"You can put together a wholefoods diet in a number of different ways," she says. "You can be vegetarian or eat meat."

Adds Professor Noakes: "The key is a higher protein pattern in conjunction with low GI grains fruits vegetables and dairy foods. Good nutrition is more than focussing on one nutrient."

Perhaps the point is that one method is not better than the other. Or one might be better than the other but not for everyone.

Either way, it's probably better to hold the double serve of bacon.


thoughts ? a lot of good points if you have time to read the article

Good article! So many good points.

"You can put together a wholefoods diet in a number of different ways," she says. "You can be vegetarian or eat meat."

I completely agree with this. It's the whole foods that are important and not any one eating style like meat eating or vegetarian or vegan or raw or gluten free etc. I've heard so many people on paleo or vegan or raw food diets claim they've never felt better and it's all about the great new way they are eating. But what the people have in common is they cut out the food that came from a chemical laboratory and they are eating mostly or all whole (real) foods.

And fat and sugar and refined carbs? Everything in moderation.

and another good excerpt


"But alas," says Ornish, in The New York Times, "bacon and egg yolks are not health foods".

Ornish argues that, despite their popularity, high-protein diets are not the antidote.

"Low-carb, high-animal-protein diets promote heart disease via mechanisms other than just their effects on cholesterol levels."

Ornish lists numerous instances in which a high intake of animal protein and/or fat has been linked with significantly higher risk of premature mortality and various chronic diseases.


ok Paleoers... thoughts from your perspective?

Toooootally agree with this article. Thank you for sharing it!!!

I am totally convinced that vegetables, legumes contain lots of carbs, enough for our daily needs. It is the processed carbs (in cakes, bread, biscuits, pastries, chips and of course chocolates etc) that are the problem in today's diets especially as they seem to mainly come in combination with fat. It is this combination that is soo unhealthy and delicious.
Ideally, our plates should contain of two thirds of vegetables and no more than 1/3 of meat/fish/eggs/soya. Processed carbs/sugars etc should be eaten in moderation (as occasional treats).
But we all know that don't we? It is just so hard to say no to, in this world of constant delicious food temptation. Moderation is difficult - we are hard wired to take advantage of "good times".

5:2 makes us eat moderately over the week. We may still over eat but we also restrict again. Especially on fast days we are mindful of our food choices, because we don't want to waste our 500/600cals available to us and instead eat filling food - the most filling is a piece of protein and lots of vegetables. Can't praise 5:2 enough.

Toooootally agree with this article. Thank you for sharing it!!!


5:2 makes us eat moderately over the week. We may still over eat but we also restrict again. Especially on fast days we are mindful of our food choices, because we don't want to waste our 500/600cals available to us and instead eat filling food - the most filling is a piece of protein and lots of vegetables. Can't praise 5:2 enough.

spot on @leramul love love love 5:2 (and 4:3) Tonight for dinner i had a bit of grilled lamb and tonnes of beans. All cooked simply. Years ago it would have been a full steak and a bit of veg and all the condiments I can think of .. and then ice cream and then late night porridge... ahhh those were the days and dont miss them at all.