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[janeg]

Scary stuff and very interesting. Thanks for posting kencc

An abundance of headless fatties !

Thanks Kencc, I watched this in the hope it would turn me off my sugar addiction and lead me onto the path of saying no to it - I think it did just that

Peter Attia has recently posted an analysis of sugar toxicity on eatingacademy.com (don't know how to make this into a live link, I'm afraid) which, as always, is incredibly professional and even-handed. It all depends on your genes, but best to stay on the safe side...

I always love the way Betty and Veronica dance just by lifting their knees a bit. (I'm giving my age away here)

Now to mess with your heads....

1. The sugars in fruits include sucrose and fructose, so all the above applies equally to fruit as to white sugar.

2. The UK's per head sugar consumption has been approximately static if not declining for 20 if not 30 years. It does not correlate with obesity or with diabetes.

Lustig:
"Fructose, and I don't care what the vehicle is - it's irrelevant", ....."

Discuss

Sugar, sugar....that took me back.....danced to that song after announcing our engagement in 1969!!!!!!!

Following this thread, I'm a bit confused but I'm sure someone will put me right. I understand the dangers of eating too much sugar, rarely use it apart from occasional baking nowadays and rarely eat proper puddings, also try to limit all processed foods. BUT I eat a fruit salad of pineapple, melon, orange, kiwi, grapes plus other seasonal fruits every day. Is the fructose in these harmful, am I having too much? I'm losing weight gradually but also am in this WOL for health purposes too.

If anyone can clarify this for me please I would be very grateful.

BUT I eat a fruit salad of pineapple, melon, orange, kiwi, grapes plus other seasonal fruits every day. Is the fructose in these harmful, am I having too much?

The $64,000 question. Dr Robert Lustig - the man in the video - is very clear on this - "fructose is fructose, the vehicle is irrelevant".

So if you believe fructose is bad, and if you have any intellectual consistency, then fruit is also bad.

Personally I know that fructose is metabolised differently to glucose and in a similar way to alcohol, so it has the potential to impede fat loss or to fatten up your liver. At what level this happens or becomes a problem I don't know.

[janeg]

Following on from ^^ is the government's 5 a day policy (assuming fruit, rather than veg) in danger of turning the nation into alcoholics?
Think I'd rather have whisky

five a day should always have been vegetables, the fruit was a compromise - like a camel is a horse designed by a committee.

On the positive side only one portion of fruit juice can be included in the five.

[janeg]

Interesting- I never came across the veg only...
always a mix of fruit (with fruit first) and veg and counting fruit juice as one portion.

An apple a day keeps the doctor away. Bad advice? I think moderation is the key here surely. I love lemons and squeeze the juice onto my salads, into soups, preserve them and add them to all sorts of things. Fruits contain healthy stuff like pectin and fibre and should be part of a healthy diet, especially berries. I agree that most people don't eat enough veggies though, not sweet enough perhaps? I think 5 portions of fruit a day is too much but how many people would want to eat say 4 portions of veg and 1 of fruit?

Interesting- I never came across the veg only...
always a mix of fruit (with fruit first) and veg and counting fruit juice as one portion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... ive_a_Day/ 30 minutes in. Potato is controversial too

guess who - Dr Mosley !!

I agree that most people don't eat enough veggies though, not sweet enough perhaps? I think 5 portions of fruit a day is too much but how many people would want to eat say 4 portions of veg and 1 of fruit?

so we have a screwed up health message not based on evidence, purely to make it a saleable proposition.

One apple a day is fine I'm sure. Being from 54 degrees north I'm suspicious of fruits We had rhubarb and gooseberries, then apples, plums, damsons all of which we grew plus wild raspberries and blackberries.

[janeg]

Is the 5 a day supported by the fruit and veg growers I wonder?
I knew about the tatties not being counted. Especially in Scotland.
Think I read somewhere that tomato sauce was being counted (wrongly) - America somewhere perhaps?
We get so much conflicting advice that is not evidence based and so much pseudo science... and can we actually see through it? I know I'm not stupid and can kind of critically look at research but I've been trained to do it. What chance do we have ...