The FastDay Forum

@Candicemarie you have made my Sunday morning a) Podgy Article hahahahaha b) keeping up the chicken-n-veg diet LOL

On a more serious note the only person who commented negatively on fasting was my new (and no longer) doctor. Well WE (as in the royal we?) Wouldn't recommend that. What a joke. Everyone else can see it works, they are more concerned I might have some illness inspiring the weight loss

You are all great! It kinda makes me laugh now, all this freakiness about hunger; being hungry isn't pathological. In fact, I've come to rather enjoy a bit of genuine hunger--which I now know I seldom felt before 5:2, at least when not dieting--as seasoning and positive anticipation of a meal, whether on a light or normal day. And I now very seldom "pre-feed" before a meal, I know that being hungry isn't a problem and I won't overeat or pass out.

@ferretgal Im totally with you on the feeling genuine hunger sentiment. In the years before I started 5:2 .. ( the SBS program featuring the BBC Horizon was Monday night, 22nd April 2013) I never ever felt hungry other than when I was away from a shop or my fridge. I just ate and ate if I was even only mildly hungry. So when I am indeed hungry now , i dont suffer, I relish in it knowing it's doing me good.

The one statement i need proper clarification on for my own curiousity from that forum poster.

"this diet isn’t recommended for .... people with diagnosed diabetes"

I know its been covered before. Whats the one or two sentence response to that.

and did she mean diabetes I or diabetes II

Pretty sure i had a friend who is diabetic that said the same thing

https://www.fastday.com/fasting/dealing-with-cynicism-and-pessimism-about-fasting-from-others/

Was that the one you were looking for @MaryAnn?

Thats a great article Carorees

@GMH yes - the Royal "We"!
I hope that Doc gets the pay he/ she deserves for being spokesperson for the entire medical profession!
So pompous isnt it...reminds me of MaggieThatcher saying ," We are a grandmother!" X

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The one statement i need proper clarification on for my own curiousity from that forum poster.

"this diet isn’t recommended for .... people with diagnosed diabetes"

I know its been covered before. Whats the one or two sentence response to that.

and did she mean diabetes I or diabetes II

Pretty sure i had a friend who is diabetic that said the same thing

If you're taking certain diabetes meds, especially insulin, then fasting is tricky but not impossible. So type 1 or type 2 treated with meds other than metformin need to be able to monitor and adjust the meds finely to be able to fast safely.

The one statement i need proper clarification on for my own curiousity from that forum poster.

"this diet isn’t recommended for .... people with diagnosed diabetes"

I know its been covered before. Whats the one or two sentence response to that.

and did she mean diabetes I or diabetes II

Pretty sure i had a friend who is diabetic that said the same thing

Treading very carefully here. No short response seems possible.

Page 116 in Dr Mosley's FastDiet book: "There are certain groups for whom fasting is not advised". Type 1 diabetics are included in this list..."

Furthermore Varady, and Volek/Phinney among others agree. This contrasts dramatically with their positions regarding type 2.

However, regarding type 1 diabetes, after just a little more digging there are these:

https://thefastdiet.co.uk/forums/topic/ ... -diabetes/

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diet/5-2-inte ... -diet.html

and:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17367310

And multiple references in the above to the following written by a long term type 1 diabetic doctor:

http://www.diabetes-book.com/

So no simple answers for a high risk situation. And most certainly no experimenting without a doctor's participation.

I finally found it (by accident). I feel so much better.

http://breakingmuscle.com/nutrition/fir ... nt-fasting

Thought I'd share the following as it might make you laugh (or cry, or bang your head on the desk). A girl at work, who I've only ever seen consuming coffee, malt loaf and protein shakes, asked me how my 5:2 was going. I explained I was taking a weight loss holiday for a bit, and she said "good, I'm glad you're not doing 5;2 any more, it's really not good for you".

Worse than a diet of coffee, malt loaf and protein shakes?! I just smiled at her. There were no words.

AS I've lost 4 stone people do notice I've lost weight and I am honest about it by saying alongside 5:2 I have also changed my eating habits. I am quite lucky in that MIL and SIL both do some kind of fasting and are very supportive. I haven't had many negative comments from the people who's opinions matter to me everyone else can get knotted

I finally found it (by accident). I feel so much better.

http://breakingmuscle.com/nutrition/fir ... nt-fasting

I loved the article and totally agree, but since I am working full time, I always schedule my fast days on working days. I think I would probably (ditch my fast - re-schedule) and have breakfast with my friends (more often it is brunch anyway) and skip lunch to stay under TDEE. Because I am maintaining, people think I should or do not need to fast or do IF.

I do talk to some people about 5:2 and explain that with age and due to my height, my TDEE (I explain it as daily calorie needs) has decreased to 1400 cals, which leaves me with two meals a day at most. I choose to skip breakfast because that is the easiest for me as it is difficult to always keep to such low calorie intake and fasting is a great leveller.