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Re: 5:2 for the morbidly obese?
27 Feb 2013, 16:42
Maybe try walking a little bit less than 1.5 miles then if that normally exhausts you. Try 1 mile instead and take it easy. If you're unbearably hungry afterwards have a banana and some green tea.

I've been doing gentle toning exerises on my fasting days. They don't
make me out of breath though so I don't find them any harder on fast days.
I'm going swimming on my fast day tomorrow though and I normally come out of the pool ravenous so I'll just have to see how it goes!!
Re: 5:2 for the morbidly obese?
27 Feb 2013, 18:00
I usually fast on Sunday and tend to have a lie in and do limited exercise.

I fast on Wednesday and walk to a Pilates class (20minutes there and 20 minutes back - perhaps just under a mile each way or maybe less!). Pilates class lasts an hour and is strength, stretching work.

On my other fast day - Friday this week - I will be walking to public transport and from there to work where I sit at a desk for most of the day! Of course I get a bit of exercise on the trip home too - it doesn't seem like much but it is more than I got when I drove in every day.

On some Sundays I do sometimes get a surge of energy later on in the afternoon so I might actually do housework but not that energetically! :lol: I didn't believe the claims that people felt more energetic on the diet but now I am used to fasting I feel generally more energetic which is great.
Re: 5:2 for the morbidly obese?
27 Feb 2013, 21:46
Hi everyone,

I'm still staggered by the responses I've been getting, thank you all.

I've been sticking to the fast today! And I've only had 500 calories, and I'm not particularly hungry at the moment. I'm a little shaky, probably a sugar low, but I'm not feeling the desire to eat at the moment. I've had my nose stuck in a good book. I went for a short 15 minute walk earlier, which wasn't too strenuous, except that I get back pain after walking for more than 5 minutes. My GP said it was just because of my weight (which I new anyway) and said I need to lose weight and it'll disappear.

I was wondering if it's OK to go under the 25% TDEE kcals on your fast day? Especially as mine should be about 850 kcals. So I'm 350 short.

Thanks,
Re: 5:2 for the morbidly obese?
27 Feb 2013, 21:49
No need to eat up to a number, alternate day fasting (with ZERO calories) works for obese folks looking to lose weight.
Re: 5:2 for the morbidly obese?
27 Feb 2013, 22:20
Hi KronicSonic, I, like you, am an evening muncher. I have only just started fasting – I’m on my second one as we speak. And I’m experimenting. I figured that seeing as the evening is the hardest time for me, I would get that out of the way first. So I started at 9.00 yesterday, after my evening meal, and got the hardest bit over. It wasn’t too bad, as I was still pretty full from eating beforehand. I was a bit hungry in the night when I was trying to go to sleep, but again, nothing too awful.

So by 9.00 the next morning, (this morning), I’d already done a 12 hour fast without really trying, and was well pleased with myself! I allowed myself a drink with some milk in, and then continued fasting again. I don’t know about you, but I really don’t find it too hard to stay away from food in the mornings, so that’s okay – I’m just keeping drinking until lunchtime. Actually, we don’t have our lunch till 2.00, so I might succumb to an apple or something before that. Then I’m going to eat nearly half of my calories, and have the rest later – perhaps about 6.00 p.m. Then I’ve only got to cope till 9.00 p.m., and the fast’s over!

From what I’ve read on these forums, I’d better not go crazy during the rest of the evening though, otherwise I might undo my good work, so I shall still be a bit careful what I eat just for this one evening - being relaxed about it, but still keeping it healthy and sensible.

Then I hope to have lost ½ lb by tomorrow morning.

Two books that I have found really helpful on my road to eating less during the evening are Jason Vale’s two books, ‘Chocolate Busters’ and ‘Slim for Life’. I used to start munching dark chocolate (and peanut butter) at about 9.00 p.m., and then carry on until 1 or 2 in the morning, not being able to sleep because the chocolate was keeping me awake!

I read ‘Chocolate Busters’ and haven’t had one bit since. That was about a month ago. It stops you wanting it. All the reviews on Amazon say so too. Similarly, ‘Slim for Life’ makes you realise that we are addicted to many manufactured foods because the foods make us addicted. It’s not our fault. Sugar and many other substances make you go back for more, because they don’t feed you – they leave you feeling empty and in fact leave you feeling emptier than you did before you ate them in the first place! As Jason Vale says, no-one gets addicted to apples or spinach. (Probably my words, not his).

So if you have been munching manufactured foods and drinks during the evening – it’s not your fault. It’s possible to get un-addicted to them and to eat healthier things instead, which will fill us up, so that we stop when we are full. The trouble with many manufactured foods is that they don’t fill us up, so we can always eat more and more.

If I don’t lose weight on my 9 to 9 method, then I’ll have to re-think, but I figure it’s a lot better than what I was doing before, and it’s okay for getting used to the rigours of fasting. And who knows, I may even lose some weight on it and stop being obese. In which case, I shall stick to it.

You can only do what you can do – if you can’t do the whole shebang straight off, (and why should you? It’s probably too extreme for you, as others have said), then approximate towards it. Figure out what you can do, and start there. Then, as you get used to what you are doing, consider taking it down a notch when you feel ready. The heavier we are, the more weight we lose from walking, and probably from exercises strengthening our muscles. Doing exercises while sitting down is better than sitting still. Also the heavier we are, the easier it is to lose weight, so I agree that having a higher calorie allowance for starters would be a good thing to try. Do what you can do, and stick at it. That’s the way to get there in the end.

Hope that something I’ve said may be of help. I think I’ve helped myself by writing it, and got myself through till 1 p.m - nearly time to prepare lunch. So thanks!
(PS Wrote this earlier today)
Re: 5:2 for the morbidly obese?
27 Feb 2013, 23:22
Hi,

PhilT - Thanks, I've just started to read about more of Krista Varady's ADF studies, and it's really interesting stuff. I think I'll stick with 5:2 for now then.

Everyone - I seem to have lasted the day out with just 500 calories, your stories and advice have been invaluable and whenever I was feeling weak a quick stop to this website soon occupied me enough for the hunger to disappear.

I'll see how well I sleep, and tomorrow I get to look forward to pizza for dinner! Yummy.

Thanks,
Re: 5:2 for the morbidly obese?
27 Feb 2013, 23:56
Regarding what BlueMoon said about not getting addicted to spinach, you might be interested to know that cystic fibrosis patients, who have trouble keeping weight on and are strongly discouraged from eating low calorie foods, have cravings for celery!! This shows how important it is to be allowed to have some treats on feed days...as soon as something is forbidden it becomes desirable. As one gets used to fasting and to being allowed to eat treats they lose their appeal.
Re: 5:2 for the morbidly obese?
28 Feb 2013, 06:58
Good Job Sonic!

I really hope you get it sorted, once your'e into a routine it will become so much easier.

Also Blue Moon, I think you might want to try 6pm day before fast to 6a.m. day after fast, so 36 hours with 25% calories for optimum benefit.

Are you counting your calories? Especially from that milk and apples?

I have given up Radishes for Lent.......Nom Nom Nom, crunchy peppery red skinned goodness I miss you!
Re: 5:2 for the morbidly obese?
28 Feb 2013, 15:22
Well done KronicSonic for sticking with your fast. I hope you slept well! in case you didn't I have found that saving some calories for a small glass of milk or a hot chocolate helps me get to sleep. Good luck with your next fast.
Re: 5:2 for the morbidly obese?
01 Mar 2013, 12:10
Hi Sonic,
I have just hit on your post and on all of the great advice that has been posted and I was wondering how you are doing? I think you are brilliant for sticking with in until you made it work for you. I am on week 5 of fasting and am finding it ok, although the scales have faltered recently. I can fast no problem but I binge like mad on the other days. Anyway I just wanted to add my words of encouragement.
Re: 5:2 for the morbidly obese?
01 Mar 2013, 17:20
Hi there
Just found your post - never give up and I know you'll succeed! All the advice so far is good. I have been MO in the past (weighed 16st 7lbs at 5ft 6inches!!) and I did manage to lose it over two years of calorie counting - so don't give up! Prior to that, I have always been 'big' even as a child (weighed 14 stone at age 15); so I do know how it feels. I started the 5:2 a month ago and totally understand your probs with fast days - a few things I find helpful are eating all 500 (600 or maybe a tad more for you) in the evening - maybe leave 50cals (say an orange or apple) for final snack; go to bed early (maybe with a good book); when you feel hungry do some diversionary activity (go for a walk, check this forum online, talk to a friend on the phone etc.); drink lots (usual stuff black coffee, tea, flavoured teas, bovril); plan what lovely things you can eat the next day (but just a little of really high fat/carb things). I am rooting for you - by the way can you cook? - there are lots of low calorie but satisfying recipes around. Like many others I find it easier to eat nothing at all on Fast Days, but I drink plenty. Eating anything just seems to trigger me to crave more, so maybe try a complete food fast and see how you feel (ensure this day is full of 'things to do' and go to see a movie or play in the evening! Good luck!
Re: 5:2 for the morbidly obese?
11 Apr 2013, 23:27
Hi Khronic - where did you go - are you still here? I am doing well on 5:2 and I have gone for about 1/4 of my TDEE and I don't count the calories in milk. At first I grazed on my calories throughout the day now though I manage to last on average until about 3pm on just a couple of cups of coffee. I then have something to eat about then and again about 7pm. Sometimes if I am craving chocolate on a fast day I still eat some but with the calorie allowance - and I am still majorly losing weight. I am exercising as well though.... including on fast days...
Re: 5:2 for the morbidly obese?
12 Apr 2013, 00:24
Indeed, are you still here? How are you doing?
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