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I think I'll just stick to my 'moderation in all things' motto for now

Don't go low fat is the answer!

Re age, it is known that low IGF1 levels are associated with frailty in the elderly, so for them it is best to have a reasonable protein intake.

Does that mean I can eat what the heck I like now, as I am 63yrs old??? Don't answer that: I am just having a laugh at it all....guess I shall stick to being sensible now, as has become usual!
The Telegraph article was interesting, but confusing.

Ignoring the IGF thingy what's to say that the reason people who eat loads of beast are more prone to cancer is simply because they are more likely to eat less veggies. If you have a big lump of steak on your plate and you only have a little room left in your belly, what are you going to eat? The meat or the cabbage?

There's studies now saying that the high fibre stuff is all nonsense now and that the original studies that suggested high fibre was good, didn't take other factors into consideration and just assumed it was the high fibre which made the study group all shiny and healthy on the inside.

The other day I read that almonds are bad for you, then on the same page it said, well actually they might be okay depending on who you believe.

It's enough to drive you insane. Actually the stress of trying to decide what's good for you and what's not will probably do us more harm then the excessive pork intake. Mmmmmm bacon....

I am 67' always eat my steak with a humungus salad and have every intention to carry on with my beloved protein and veg, if I could only cut out the sugar I would be happy.

So..., as a 69 kg 49 year old man, I should eat up to 55 grams of protein a day which translates to:

- 200-350 grams of meat/fish depending on how lean it is, less if leaner

or

- eight eggs

or

- 150-250 grams of cheese, less if lean cheese


Combined with lots of above ground vegetables and omega 3 rich or saturated fat, almost no carbs.

I have to start visualizing what these meals are supposed to look like, but it sounds quite doable, provided I can eat and drink as I please during weekends, should be OK if above numbers are average consumption during the week.

@auriga Here is was thinking at 63 years I am still young.

Hate too high protein and love my veggies and fruit but my body doth protest far too much with terrible fatigue if I go for too long without goodly wacks of protein or carb. I feel sad and frustrated and give into red meat and minimal carbs but then can chug along for a while again on plant based meal eggs and cheese. It is not as though I don't have a healthy varied diet. I could be more purist re sugars of my wine and honey in my tea. So maybe it is now my age which dictates and I am tuned into my body .

Interesting thread thanks so much everyne

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/343/6175/1068.full

[Debs]

Hi,
I can't access this as it requires a subscription.

Deb

Sorry. I thought their "front matter" would be available to all. Basically, it covers two recent Cell Metabolism papers. I'll link to the abstracts below. Let me know if you can't see them:

http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/fulltext/S1550-4131(14)00065-5
http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/fulltext/S1550-4131(14)00062-X

Basically, the first is a mouse study showing that mice fed on high carb/low protein lived longer than mice fed on high protein diets, even the the HC/LP mice were fat. Fat in the diet evidently didn't matter.

The second is a human study from Valter Longo (who was in the MM documentary) showing that low protein is associated with reduction in IGF-1, cancer, and overall mortality in people < 65 but over 65, higher protein is good.

[carorees]

mice are not omnivores, we are so it's not safe to extrapolate mouse studies to humans.

I think yes, protein should be low, but the tendency for humans to develop insulin resistance points to us not being able to handle a high carb diet for many decades.

[carorees]

I just spotted this evaluation by Zoe Harcombe of the study on protein intake and mortality: http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2014/03/anim ... s-smoking/ She points out some important methodological flaws in the experimental design and the usual pitfall of thinking that association means causation.