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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3009971/ - A paleolithic diet is more satiating per calorie than a Mediterranean-like diet in individuals with ischemic heart disease. "The Paleolithic group were as satiated as the Mediterranean group but consumed less energy per day (5.8 MJ/day vs. 7.6 MJ/day, Paleolithic vs. Mediterranean, p = 0.04)"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17583796 - A Palaeolithic diet improves glucose tolerance more than a Mediterranean-like diet in individuals with ischaemic heart disease.

A comparison of two loosely defined diets, both from the same group.

"There are no obvious risks with avoiding dairy products, margarine, oils, refined sugar, and cereal grains, which provide 70% or more of the dietary intake in northern European populations." as written in a review paper of "African Paleolithic foods" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22262579

The first one is interesting - 24% less food and equally satiated in ad libitum consumption . 5.8 MJ is 1390 kcals.

Switching to a Primal diet actually stopped my weight loss progress 2 years ago. Of course it is not as strict as Paleo as I still ate/eat dairy, but it wasn't enough to move me into a fat losing mode. I truly wish it had been that easy, as it seems to do very well for very many!

Ever since I read about this Paleo diet I did a bit of a research and I found that Paleo is based on what people in Northern Europe ate. So, technically, Paleo diet is not the diet of the great-great-grandfathers of the people who lived in the Mediterranean.
Personally, I really like the diet of Ancient Greeks, which is quite similar to the Mediterranean with no refined sugar, no potatoes and lots of wholemeal grains and pulses. There were, of course, dairy products but no margarine (which, BTW, I find disgusting), lots of spices, olive oil and WINE!!!

mm, I thought the Paleo was based on an assumed diet of cavemen. So basically animals and whatever plants could be eaten with minimal processing (ie. greens not grains). Primal, to my understanding, is a bit looser in its "restrictions". The Mediterranean Diet came along much much later in our evolution.

Personally, I just try to focus on minimally processed foods (ie. NO margarine! or fake/faux/"like" foods or things with unpronounceable ingredients) and cook at least 95% of our food at home from scratch.

mm, I thought the Paleo was based on an assumed diet of cavemen. So basically animals and whatever plants could be eaten with minimal processing (ie. greens not grains). Primal, to my understanding, is a bit looser in its "restrictions". The Mediterranean Diet came along much much later in our evolution.

True but depending on the region they had different things to eat. That's according to what I read, of course. I don't know if it was accurate or not.

The 'satiating' bit is the key. Trying to eat to feel 'full' all the time is missing the point, we need to try to let go of needing to be full all the time and readjust to eating enough and enjoying other things in life besides eating.

Ever since I read about this Paleo diet I did a bit of a research and I found that Paleo is based on what people in Northern Europe ate.

"African Paleolithic foods" ??

Ever since I read about this Paleo diet I did a bit of a research and I found that Paleo is based on what people in Northern Europe ate.

"African Paleolithic foods" ??

I don't understand what you're asking...

mm, I thought the Paleo was based on an assumed diet of cavemen. So basically animals and whatever plants could be eaten with minimal processing (ie. greens not grains). Primal, to my understanding, is a bit looser in its "restrictions". The Mediterranean Diet came along much much later in our evolution.

True but depending on the region they had different things to eat. That's according to what I read, of course. I don't know if it was accurate or not.

True. But I doubt if any caveman made anything that is even remotely related to pasta.

Personally I don't think it necessary to be that restrictive.

No pasta, but cavemen in Greece and the Med ate grains.

Thanks, Phil, I found this very interesting particularly as I am concerned about insulin resistance as well as cholesterol with regard to heart disease.

So, it sounds like a paleo diet might be advantageous in addressing the above factors as well as for weight loss. 12 weeks is not long enough to know whether one would be able to adopt this WOE for the long haul. Indeed there was kind of a hint of this in the last part of the discussion of the results, a question of whether overweight/obese individuals could be convinced to eat this way.

In some ways, it's not to far from the way I eat on fast days and for at least part of the day on non-fast days. However, I cannot see myself adhering to it with 100% faithfulness. I would have to find some middle road to make it work for me. I could see myself maybe doing an 80/20 or 90/10 split most of the time. Hopefully, that would be enough.

My niece is a Very conscientious Paleo diet follower. My daughter in law is a complete Vegan.
The Paleo family eat meat to a huge degree, and the Vegan family won't touch it.
I must admit I do favour a Vego diet for its role in care for the planet. My own menu is hugely mixed. I believe we call this omnivarian! The only trouble is, this means I can eat Anything and More! But I don't have meat at home nowadays.
I definitely admire my Vego friends who can look a chook in the eye, or pat a piglet without making it into pikelet!

I like the idea of "paleo" and am facinated by the science but must confess to something of a carb addiction - the idea of no bread in the house brings me out in a cold sweat - how the hell do you eat moules marinierre (?) without good French bread? Sorry guys, but the simplicity of IDF or 5:2 is enough for me without "layering" different diets on top of it.

All that meat was a living creature by the by...we tend to bypass the reality of the wherefore. I grew up with a strong connection to raising "meat" for the table. We always tried to eat local in that era! Ever since I read that 85% of Australian beef is now fattened with grain bins and antibiotics, that affected me. I am quite averse to contributing to that statistic.
Sadly, it's cheap protein here and people are constantly over-marketed the "need" for it. Hmmmm Paleo...healthy for the planet?

I am intrigued by the latest thinking from the U.N. that we should overcome our disgust and introduce bugs and insects into our diets. I don't find them disgusting at all, just different, and if my local shops and restaurants served up a variety of protein rich locusts, etc. I would be one of the first in line. I hate to think of the miserable, unnatural lives of cattle, poultry etc. and the devastating effects of the intensive methods used,on our planet.