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Hi tompan

As I understand it, HGH is the growth hormone that triggers the production of IGF-1, they are not the same thing. So I would think it is a plausible concomitant of their vaunted 'eternal youth' property that they might be carcinogenic.

Also when I had them they were tasteless and yuk! Dried goji berries turn up in a lot of Graze boxes (sorry this won't mean anything to you but might do to others in UK) - after I had some I went through my online selections and binned any boxes that contained the nasty little blighters.

Maybe they are nicer when fresh?

I also have Graze boxes and did exactly the same, I was less than impressed with how they tasted when dried!

What about oat milk? Is this OK - from all perspectives. Soy products I know play havoc with thyroid

Oat Milk contains -

Oat Base (Water, Oats 10%),Rapeseed Oil ,Calcium Carbonate ,Calcium Phosphates ,Salt ,Vitamins (D2, Riboflavin and B12)

Coconut milk alternative contains -

Filtered Water,Coconut Milk (8.4%) ,Grape Juice Concentrate ,Calcium Phosphate ,Emulsifier: Sucrose Ester ,Thickener: Carrageenan ,Sea Salt ,Vitamin D2 ,Vitamin B12 ,Colour: Natural Carotene

Latter is about half the carbs & calories. Rapeseed oil is strongly anti-inflammatory.

... perhaps it is NOT the antioxidants in veggies (and choc and red wine) that helps us (as the concentrations are too low) but in fact the mild poison of the phytochemicals resulting in hormesis. When antioxidants were taken in higher doses in the form of supplements they were harmful.

Quite possibly true, maybe there is something other than antioxidative effects at work, and the hormesis hypothesis is certainly interesting. However, the fact that antioxidant supplements do not have beneficial effects and are sometimes even harmful does not disprove the hypothesis that antioxidants in their natural form can be effective/beneficial.

So we can still eat the dark chocolate and red wine etc but not claim that it is the antioxidants that are good for us

Aarrghh, don't take my excuses from me!! Now I have to go find new ones!

we are poisoning ourselves to make us live longer!!!

That would make a nice headline in the Daily Mail (or whatever UK tabloid postures as the Nation's health expert") . Arguing like that, is there any food that is not poison? The "poisonousness" of poison depends on the dosage. The process of living in itself is lethal.

And of course, just because some so-called 'superfood' is high in antioxidants does not mean that it will be beneficial.

Couldn't agree more - but you've got to hand it to them, the term sounds annoyingly catchy.