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Dr. Varady, I'm hoping you will see this, or that one of your friends and associates will point it out to you. I apologize for the length of the post, but I wanted to be as clear and complete as possible.
I am writing to take issue with one topic in your book. You say that people who weigh daily lose more weight than people who weigh weekly or monthly.

I am appalled that you, as a reputable scientist, have selectively quoted the literature to support your personal opinion. We all know how dishonest this is.

YOU SAID:
“people lost 1 pound more for every 11 days they self-weighed. In other words, if you weigh yourself every day for a month, you lose about 3 pounds more than folks who don’t.”

First, the second sentence of this quote does not follow logically from the first sentence.

Second, the following is the text of the actual study abstract. Italics are mine.

Results
Self-weighing was a significant predictor of body weight over time. Participants lost about 1 extra pound for every 11 days they self-weighed during treatment. In addition, participants who self-weighed at least weekly were 11 times more likely to lose at least 5% of their pretreatment weight after 6 months. Improvements attenuated after 12 months.
Conclusions
Self-weighing may be a strategy to enhance behavioral weight loss programs. Weekly self-weighing seems to be a reasonable, evidence-supported recommendation for successful weight loss, but more research is warranted to determine the independent contribution of self-weighing to successful weight loss, as well as its potential risk of negative psychological impact.

YOU SAID:
“11 of 12 studies showed that self-weighing was linked to more weight loss and better weight maintenance.”

The following is the text of the actual study abstract. Italics are mine.

Results
Twelve studies met the inclusion/exclusion criteria, but nearly half received low evidence grades in terms of methodological quality. Findings from 11 of the 12 reviewed studies indicated that more frequent self-weighing was associated with greater weight loss or weight gain prevention. Specifically, individuals who reported self-weighing weekly or daily, typically over a period of several months, held a 1 to 3 kg/m2 (current) advantage over individuals who did not self-weigh frequently. The effects of self-weighing in experimental studies, especially those where self-weighing behaviors could be isolated, were less clear.
Conclusions
Based on the consistency of the evidence reviewed, frequent self-weighing, at the very least, seems to be a good predictor of moderate weight loss, less weight regain, or the avoidance of initial weight gain in adults. More targeted research is needed in this area to determine the causal role of frequent self-weighing in weight loss/weight gain prevention programs. Other open questions to be pursued include the optimal dose of self-weighing, as well as the risks posed for negative psychological consequences.

Dr. Varady, I started intermittent fasting (5:2) in mid-March, 2013. For two and a half months, I carefully followed the (very minimal) strictures of the diet. I did not weigh myself. At the end of June, I had lost 11 of the 22 pounds I planned to lose. Would I have lost weight faster/ lost more weight by daily weighing? Of course not. Do I recommend this approach for everyone? Of course not, again. Part of the IF approach that makes it so successful is how tailorable it is to individual needs.
Since the end of June, I have been weighing approximately weekly, and am about down to my goal weight. Would I have lost weight faster with daily weighing? Of course not, again. And I wouldn’t have wanted to lose faster, since the research, at least on non-obese subjects, says that slow and steady is best. But mine is just one story among so many, and I am 100% supportive of those who choose to weigh daily. Note that the operative word here is "choose".

So, Dr. Varady, I hope that the next time you write a book (or put out another edition of your current one), you will do two things differently.
1. Not “pick and choose” from the literature what conclusions support your own beliefs.
2. Couch your beliefs more carefully. “My research indicates that most obese people will lose weight more quickly by weighing daily” is probably a true and valid statement. Many of the statements in the section of your book devoted to frequency of weighing are not.
Nicely spotted there! I wouldn't have picked that up. Why don't you post this on her Facebook page Every-Other-Day diet as she does reply freuqently to comments on there?
I understand where this post is coming from. But what she has said (I cant remember if it was in her book or elsewhere) is that the main reason she believes the self weighing subjects lost more was because they were more in tune with their body weight and more aware.

I know for me personally this helps me hugely! It keeps me on track and helps me stick to my Way of Eating.

I understand fully where you are coming from though but personally think its a bit of a mute point.

And like Debs said - if you post it on her facebook wall she is more than likely going to answer it. She answers questions on there very regularly.
And I'd be interested in the answer!
Posting on KV's facebook wall is a great idea, @Debs and @PennyForthem, EXCEPT...

Since I assume that I post from my FB account, it means I have to come "out of the closet" about my WOE - known to the general populace as a Diet. Since I've never been one to talk about being on a Diet, and in fact haven't ever really been on one (just "watched my calories" for most of my life), I'm not sure I'm ready to go public. And maybe never will be...Still, I'm so offended by her lack of honesty that I would really like to confront her about it.

@TBrewerton, I should point out that every other time in my life that I've lost weight I've gained it back largely, I believe, from scales avoidance. So I have vowed that for the rest of my life I will weigh myself regularly. But for me, I think that weekly will be quite sufficient. The day after my fast day, when I switch to 6:1, is the plan. I'm definitely all about being in tune with my body and being self aware these days.
I wondered about that part of the book. Mostly because I've heard other scientists say that there is no evidence for a causal relationship between daily weighing and increased weight loss/prevention of weight gain. I've been too lazy/busy to delve into the literature myself.
wendyjane wrote: Posting on KV's facebook wall is a great idea, @Debs and @PennyForthem, EXCEPT...

Since I assume that I post from my FB account, it means I have to come "out of the closet" about my WOE - known to the general populace as a Diet. Since I've never been one to talk about being on a Diet, and in fact haven't ever really been on one (just "watched my calories" for most of my life), I'm not sure I'm ready to go public. And maybe never will be...Still, I'm so offended by her lack of honesty that I would really like to confront her about it.

@TBrewerton, I should point out that every other time in my life that I've lost weight I've gained it back largely, I believe, from scales avoidance. So I have vowed that for the rest of my life I will weigh myself regularly. But for me, I think that weekly will be quite sufficient. The day after my fast day, when I switch to 6:1, is the plan. I'm definitely all about being in tune with my body and being self aware these days.


Sock puppet, @WendyJane... Sock puppet - set up a new FB account with a dummy name (and, if you like, a new hotmail account with a dummy name to go with it) and post from that. If the point that you have to make is sufficiently significant Varaday will respond, I suspect, even though it's a new FB account (if she even bothers to check, that is).

Not the nicest way to work, but effective. I've only ever used the technique for seriously stupid things that demand registration - so they deserve to be emailing "imadummyusername39" with spam to no avail :)
I'm happy to post it, I don't really care if anyone sees it!
Good idea, @Fatdog. I'm sure I could use a fake account in the future for some other nefarious purpose. Thanks.

@Carorees, as our now awarded brain, I'm just pinging you so you can "weigh in" on this thread if you want to. I feel like I did some carorees-worthy research for my post here. I started out a bit irritated that KV would even say that daily weighing is best for everyone, and ended up after reading the studies abstracts totally outraged. As you can probably tell. :smile:
Go for it, @Debs! Though I did just spend the last 10 minutes dreaming up good noms de plume for myself :lol: :lol:
This is the scientist I was referring to, @wendyjane: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/3 ... says/?_r=0

the actual article: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1208051
I'm not sure I follow your first point. If someone is going to lose an extra pound for each 11 days of self weighing, then why wouldn't that be ~3 pounds in 31 days? (technically 3 pounds in 33 days - I suppose it's fair to expect a scientist to be utterly precise about it, but she's trying to speak in layman's terms). So the study *did* say that they lost 1 extra pound for each 11 days of daily self-weighing (right?) but in spite of that the study still recommended weekly self weighing. Her conclusion is still daily self weighing is better? So her subjective opinion is different but her restatement of the objective fact (the 1 pound for 11 days) - that doesn't appear to be wildly misstated to me. Am I following correctly?
Tracieknits wrote: I'm not sure I follow your first point. If someone is going to lose an extra pound for each 11 days of self weighing, then why wouldn't that be ~3 pounds in 31 days? (technically 3 pounds in 33 days - I suppose it's fair to expect a scientist to be utterly precise about it, but she's trying to speak in layman's terms). So the study *did* say that they lost 1 extra pound for each 11 days of daily self-weighing (right?) but in spite of that the study still recommended weekly self weighing. Her conclusion is still daily self weighing is better? So her subjective opinion is different but her restatement of the objective fact (the 1 pound for 11 days) - that doesn't appear to be wildly misstated to me. Am I following correctly?


She also did say "about" 3 pounds per month not exactly 3 pounds... I still am struggling to understand the concern of this topic...
I have posted it on Facebook for you wendyjane!
Debs wrote: I have posted it on Facebook for you wendyjane!

@Debs - I'm confused (not a very frequent FB poster). I went to the Every Other Day Diet, but I don't know how to find your post... Thanks.
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