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That would scare me, too, Julie. But yet some help would I'm sure be great for all of you. Are any of these three medical professionals people who you could share your concerns with, and might have constructive advice?

The "nanny state" is also frightening on our side of the pond - officials are all certain they know what's best, when they haven't a clue. I was on a plane recently sitting next to a woman who was pretty banged up - bruises, etc. She had tripped on the sidewalk in front of her boyfriend's apartment building, and gone flying. Knocked out a tooth, needed minor surgery, etc. She showed me the video taken by the apartment building security system, and told me that it was a good thing she'd been able to produce that video, otherwise the hospital staff would have been after her boyfriend for abuse, for sure

I seem to be off loading a bit 'too much'. If I am, please PM me and I will stop.

I seem to be off loading a bit 'too much'. If I am, please PM me and I will stop.

There is no such thing on here as 'unloading too much' so carry on doing what relieves your stresses, it is partly why we all stick around, to support each other, it's not just about our weight. Lots of hugs on the way for you......

Ballerina x

I second Ballerina. And @Ballerina, aren't you up awfully late?

I'm laying claim to 1971 - the number of the post, as well as the memories of the year. I found a "crowd" of friends, I got a boyfriend, life was good.

It's a little game - now the next person can talk about 1972 (when I graduated from high school - but it's not my turn).

I second Ballerina. And @Ballerina, aren't you up awfully late?

Yes, blooming insomniacs tent is keeping me awake with their ghost stories!

Ballerina x

I'm laying claim to 1971 - the number of the post, as well as the memories of the year. I found a "crowd" of friends, I got a boyfriend, life was good.

It's a little game - now the next person can talk about 1972 (when I graduated from high school - but it's not my turn).

1972... I was working in Austria ...had a great time! Beautiful place,beautiful people..BUt too tired and insomniacal ( is there such a word?) to say any more about it..
1973 anyone?
@Julieathome i third Ballerina...you off load as much as you want to! XX

1973. I was eleven years old. It was the year that Slade's "Merry Xmas Everybody" topped the charts. My grandad bought me my very first single. David Cassidy's "Daydreamer". B side was "The Puppy Song". It might have been the year the Vietnam war ended..

1974 anyone?

[Debs]

I was 9 in 1974, it was the first World Cup I got to watch! I was in love with David Essex and David Cassidy and had their photos plastered all over my wall!
Oh dear, Billy don't be a hero and Mud, Tiger Feet. I remember Abba winning the Eurovision Song Contest and those strange bell bottom trousers.
I had a bright red knitted trouser suit, I thought I was the bee's knee's!!!

1975.....

Oh Billy Don't Be A Hero...I used to love that!

Hmm 1975? I was 6 then and can't remember an awful lot. However, I DO remember 1976 because my darling sister was born and I remember her arriving at home wearing a little pink outfit, a snug little ball...so sweet! Now she's got two little blessums of her own and living miles away in Canada! Life passes us by too quickly doesn't it!

Bean

1976 I became pregnant for the first time and it was marvellous, 1977 and along with the daffodils came my gorgeous first son. Aahhhhh.
He's 6ft 3" and a daddy himself now :0)

20 January 2014
The Minnesota starvation experiment
By Janet Ball
BBC World Service

During World War Two, conscientious objectors in the US and the UK were asked to volunteer for medical research. In one project in the US, young men were starved for six months to help experts decide how to treat victims of mass starvation in Europe.

In 1944, 26-year-old Marshall Sutton was a young idealist who wanted to change the world for the better. As a conscientious objector and Quaker, he refused to fight in the war but he still craved the chance to help his country.

"I wanted to identify with the suffering in the world at that time," he says. "I wanted to do something for society. I wanted to put myself in a little danger."

That danger came, unexpectedly, in the shape of a small brochure with a picture of children on the front.

"Will you starve that they be better fed?" it asked. It was a call for volunteers to act as human guinea pigs in a medical experiment at the University of Minnesota.


A participant of the Minnesota experiment
All over Europe people were starving - in the Netherlands, in Greece, in eastern Europe and the Soviet Union - and the US military wanted to learn how best to re-feed them. But first they had to find healthy people willing to be starved.

Perhaps surprisingly, hundreds of conscientious objectors - or COs - applied, all eager to help. Sutton was grateful to be one of 36 young men chosen.

"I felt very useful, fulfilled," he says. "There were hundreds of people like me who didn't have that type of opportunity, and I felt very fortunate that I could be there."

The experiment started in November 1944 and for the first three months they were fed to their optimum weight and monitored. Then their rations were cut dramatically. Food quickly became an obsession.

"I ate what I had in about three minutes and got out of there - I didn't want to stay," says Sutton, remembering mealtimes in the canteen.

"There were some in the experiment who lingered over that food for 20 minutes. I couldn't take that. Some fellows were reading cook books all the time."

The men ate meals twice a day. One might be cabbage, turnips and half a glass of milk. On another day, it might be rye bread and some beans.

Like many hungry people in Europe, the men never had meat, and calories were set at 1,800 or less. But Sutton remembers one occasion when, carrying his meagre rations in a paper bag, he took his girlfriend out to dinner at the most expensive restaurant in Minneapolis.

"I wanted to take her to a restaurant just to enjoy seeing her eat... but when the waiter came up with the food she just couldn't do it. I was a bit disturbed by it, I'd spent all that money on a big meal and she just couldn't eat it."

The regime was tough - during the six months they were being starved, the men were expected to walk or run 22 miles (36 kilometres) every week, expending over 1,000 calories more than they consumed each day.

Their walks took them past bakeries and other temptations - and it was all too much for some participants. Three pulled out of the experiment.

Those that remained lost about 25% of their weight and many experienced anaemia and swollen ankles, as well as apathy and exhaustion. Their ribs stuck out through their skin - their legs were as thin as their arms used to be. And there were psychological effects as well.

In New York, COs wore lice- infested clothes to test anti-louse powders - aimed at fighting typhus
In one experiment in the UK, COs were deprived of food and water to replicate the conditions of sailors who'd been shipwrecked
In a Sheffield University study, men were infected with scabies by wearing the dirty uniforms and underwear of soldiers suffering from the disease
At the same centre, some men were infected with malaria

"After you've not had food for a while your state of being is just numb," says Sutton. "I didn't have any pain. I was just very weak. One's sexual desires disappeared."

The men grew anxious and depressed.

"When something good happened, we would explode with joy and when we were pessimistic we were very depressed," Sutton recalls.

"I had a very close friend there and often I'd speak sharply to him and I'd find myself going to him almost every night and apologising."

The men coped in different ways. One man managed to study for a law degree. Sutton read philosophy and theology, and drew comfort from Quaker friends and the church.

Others struggled, occasionally eating illicit food before becoming despondent with guilt. One man even cut off a finger while chopping wood and couldn't explain how or why.

The experiment is still cited as a source of reference by academics studying nutrition and eating disorders, and it raised many questions about how far psychological problems can be treated if the subject is still starving.
But in some ways the project came too late. Even as the experiment continued, one Nazi concentration camp was liberated, then another - and the full horror of starvation became apparent.
BBC correspondent Edward Ward entered the Buchenwald concentration camp in April 1945, seven days after it was liberated.

"A hollow-eyed emaciated German Jew hobbled across to me," he reported. The man opened the door of a large cupboard. Inside there were about 20 corpses piled high.

"'Last night's crop,' said the man, almost casually. 'It'll be the same tomorrow, and the next day, and the next day.' The wretched inmates have been freed from their Nazi tormenters, but they've not yet been freed from slow starvation."

But while the results may have come too late for many of World War Two's victims, they still could help others.

In 1946, the researchers released a guide book for aid workers - Men and Hunger.

Its advice included:

Show no partiality, and refrain from arguments; the starving are ready to argue on little provocation, but they usually regret it immediately
Informing the group what is being done, and why, is just as important as getting things done - billboards are the easiest way
Starvation increases the need for privacy and quiet - noise of all kinds seems to be very bothersome and especially so during mealtimes
Energy is a commodity to be hoarded - living and eating quarters should be arranged conveniently
A thoughtful worker will make use of the fact that the starving are emotionally affected by the weather -some special and cheerful activities might be saved for bad days
In the last months, the Minnesota men were fed back to health. Different groups got different foods and calorie allowances. But it was months, even years - long after the men had returned home - before they had all fully recovered.

On the day Marshall Sutton left Minnesota, he took a bus to Chicago.

"Every time the bus stopped I had a couple of [milk-]shakes and the world was a wonderful place," he says.

"I had a wonderful sense of having all the food I wanted, but I didn't have the strength - I was so happy and I was eating, but I wasn't normal."

Sutton, like most of the volunteers, went on to lead a healthy and successful life. He worked in Gaza with starving refugees in 1949 then took part in Quaker projects in the US. Now 95, he lives in a Quaker Community in Baltimore.

Seventy years on, he is still glad he took part in the experiment. His friends were risking their lives in the South Pacific, he says, and it was an honour to make a sacrifice himself.

Janet Ball's Witness is broadcast on the BBC World Service on January 20 from 08:50 GMT.

Awe, hugs all round this morning. I'm on post 1979, the year I do not want to recall, so glossing over that and moving swiftly on, who will write the post 2000 here and start the call rolling again? Keep a watch, peeps...it could be *you*.
Girl's name, beginning with B!!

How do you post a new one? Does it do it automatically?

Does it have to be a girl's name? Only I've got Bob or Bertie in mind...

Bean

[Debs]

You've lost me on this one!