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A common question on the forum is whether we should be supplementing our diets with various vitamins and minerals in the form of pills and potions. I decided it was time to have a look at the evidence!

It seems to be fairly well accepted that vitamin D supplementation is a good idea for those of us living at high latitudes, at least during the winter months. Also, calcium supplementation for post-menopausal women in conjunction with vitamin D appears to be recommended by the docs, so I first checked out the evidence for this and found a study that aimed to examine whether there was any association between total calcium and vitamin D intake and mortality. The conclusions:
Calcium supplements, up to 1000 mg/d, and increased dietary intake of calcium may be associated with reduced risk of mortality in women. We found no evidence of mortality benefit or harm associated with vitamin D intake.

Also, it appears that vitamin D supplementation is a good idea during calorie restriction because weight loss seems to be associated with decreased calcium absorption.

Next, I looked at the issue of anti-oxidant supplementation as I had heard that a trial of antioxidants had to be stopped because of more deaths in the group receiving supplements. This review of trials of antioxidants (beta-carotene, vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin E, and selenium) concluded:
We found no evidence to support antioxidant supplements for primary or secondary prevention [of chronic diseases]. Beta-carotene and vitamin E seem to increase mortality, and so may higher doses of vitamin A. Antioxidant supplements need to be considered as medicinal products and should undergo sufficient evaluation before marketing.


Then there is this review of studies examining multivitamin/mineral supplementation which found:
Multivitamin-multimineral treatment had no effect on mortality due to vascular causes or cancer


What about fish oils/omega 3 supplementation? I found this analysis which analysed the results of 20 studies including 63030 participants and found:
There was no overall effect of omega-3 fatty acids on composite cardiovascular events or on total mortality. Omega-3 fatty acids did protect against vascular death (RR=0.86; 95% CI, 0.75-0.99; P=0.03) but not coronary events (RR=0.86; 95% CI, 0.67-1.11; P=0.24). There was no effect on arrhythmia (RR=0.99; 95% CI, 0.85-1.16; P=0.92) or cerebrovascular events (RR=1.03; 95% CI, 0.92-1.16; P=0.59). Adverse events were more common in the treatment group than the placebo group (RR=1.18, 95% CI, 1.02-1.37; P=0.03), predominantly because of an excess of gastrointestinal side effects.
They conclude that the benefits of omega-3 fatty acids are not clear-cut and are almost certainly not as great as previously believed. Another study found similar results:
Overall, omega-3 PUFA supplementation was not associated with a lower risk of all-cause mortality, cardiac death, sudden death, myocardial infarction, or stroke based on relative and absolute measures of association


So far, then, I've only found good evidence for calcium and vitamin D supplementation and evidence that multivitamins and minerals are not needed. Omega-3 fatty acids may have a small benefit.

Of course, if you have a deficiency in a particular vitamin/mineral then supplementation may be appropriate. And, certain conditions can benefit from supplementation. For example, magnesium may be of benefit for people with high blood pressure, poor sleep.

Anyone have any firm evidence to show benefit (or harm) from supplementation with other vitamin/minerals/co-factors etc?
Thank you for posting that! It makes me feel better about my calcium and vitamin D supplements that I take, and it has alleviated my guilt over not wanting to take fish oil. I just did't like the fishbreath I would get when I did take it.
No, thank you Tracie for inspiring me to investigate ;-)
Did you look at the effects of supplements on things like arthritis? Glucosamine and clondroitin seems to help my avatar, my OH uses Omega 3.
Hi Merlin, no I just looked at supplements for people who are essentially in good health. There are too many options to look for specific supplements for specific conditions!! I believe there is evidence for glucosamine for arthritis if taken in high enough quantities, but haven't checked. The problem with all the supplements is that people don't consider the placebo effect...only randomized, controlled trials can determine if the supplements are really doing anything ;-).

Here is a great video about how strong the placebo effect can be, by my hero, Ben Goldacre: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsFTgirKXHk
Thanks Caroline. I guess G&C must be working as I doubt my avatar knows he is taking it- nor indeed that he is arthritic! As for the OH..............
Yes, but you know he's taking it and you're the one assessing the effect...(I'm not saying it isn't working just that there are many, many pitfalls in trying to assess whether a given treatment works or not). But as I said, I think there is evidence for glucosamine at least in arthritis, I just haven't actually looked for the studies (yet).

I'm more interested in evidence for/against supplements for people who are currently healthy, as there is a lot of marketing going on out there and people are being relieved of hard-earned cash, perhaps unnecessarily!
Thanks for all that information Caroline - I have never been a great believer in taking multi vitamin etc., type supplements; much prefer trying to eat a healthy diet but think that now I wiould certainly consider adding calcium and vit.D to the glucosomine I take for creaky knees!
Hi:

The latest studies indicate calcium supplementation may lead to a higher risk of heart attack.

http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news ... heart-risk

I personally believe that if I was getting sufficient nutrition from my food before I started 5:2, now that I am getting quite a bit less from my food as a result of eating less I need basic supplementation to get back to where I was. :smile:
This is so helpful Caroline so thanks very much.
I have been on Calcium and Vit D3 supplementation for some time, prescribed by my GP as I was taking steroids for 3 years or so. The two need to be taken in conjunction - and with a small amount of fat/ oil to "carry" the vit. Nothing horrendous - milk in tea or spread on bread.
In my experience Vit D3, which one gets from the sun in warmer climes, CERTAINLY not the UK this last year or so, helps with general muscle aches and pains (I think there are some studies on this).

For me the most obvious benefit is that my sleep quality has improved enormously!! :smile: :smile:
Very noticable indeed. I don't think it is claimed as a major benefit but has that effect on some people. It didn't help on the GPs dosage but when I got some extra D3 from H and B.
Caroline thanks for your efforts re this much appreciated
I like to max up my nutrition but was wondering about calcium. My craving for cheeses and yoghurt and plant sources of calcium make sense, or that is my excuse in my eating windows.

Simcoeluv agree the volume of food with 5:2 is down so much now it calls for a rethink to get the best nutrition in the smaller amounts we re eating.
Thanks Caroline. Very interesting, especially the Youtube video about the placebo effect mentioned by Ben Goldacre. I am also a fan of his and read his book "Bad Science".

Regarding the multi-vitamins, I usually take one a day, which I have done for years, as I feel I may not be getting everything I need from a vegetarian diet. However, recently my husband bought (by mistake) a different brand of multi-vitamins and minerals from a different supermarket, and looking at the miniscule contents on the back of the two packs I was very surprised to see the variation of the types of vitamins and minerals that were included (ie Magnesium in one pack, but not in the other) and that the amounts varied so much, ie Iron 12mg (85% RDA) on one pack and Iron 14mg (100%)on another pack. On a different pack of multi-B vitamins from H&B it said it included C, when I checked it said it contained 500mg (600%of the RDA!). This, I found a bit worrying.
Thank-you Caroline got vitamin D + Calcium combined well every little helps. And that's where I got them from :like: Sue
there a multi million dollar industry supporting vitamin and mineral supplements.

the cynic in me says its all for a dollar and really we are just excreting out very expensive xxx when we go to the toilet.

If we can all just stop eating processed foods or cutting them and visiting the local fruit and veg shop and butcher and dairy supplier, and have lots of non toasted cereal we really shoudn't need anything else should we? i.e. a balanced diet with all the food groups should suffice.
Caroline, can we revisit the DHA/aspirin question? This came up a while ago here and you will see your response with links. The suggestion is of a strong anti-inflammatory effect for combined DHA (one of the omega-3s) + aspirin (via resolvin). Do we presume this is now discredited?
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