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[carorees]

Surely the high meat content would result in an increase in IGF1?

True, but if the rest of your diet lifestyle is healthy, is low igf-1 that important. A quick google brought up the following:
http://thepaleodiet.com/published-resea ... aleo-diet/

I'm not advocating that paleo is the way to go but it appears to me so far that it ticks all the boxes with regards to what people are looking for on here. The major downside that I see and has been mentioned above is the potential difficulty of adhering to it in 21st century western society but maybe the 80/20 idea makes it more achievable? It appears to me that by going paleo you address the root of the potential health and weight issues. 5:2ing is maybe just managing those issues?

Thanks to all who have replied.

[carorees]

I would also caution about long-term low carb that some forms of paleo involve. The high levels of circulating fatty acids you get when in ketosis/high fat/low carb diet can accumulate in the heart muscle (shown in studies with rats on long term ADF or low carb diets) and lead to a form of heart failure. Moderation is always best!

So people are concerned about the scientific merits of Intermittent fasting (which has been massively studied in medical literature for 100 years) but are willing to mess about with what they eat each day based on a couple of websites that say Paleo.
I give in.

If you are doing the paleo diet, first thing you have to do is stop using shops, disconnect your cooker, put away cutlery

then eat on what you can find at the side of the road or can kill yourself
THAT is the Paleo diet

all else is just marketing bollocks frankly.

I take it from your post you'll not be starting it any time soon talkinpeace!!!
Your post really made me laugh.

[quote="talkinpeace"

]So people are concerned about the scientific merits of Intermittent fasting

Please outline from my above posts where I am disputing the merits of intermittant fasting

(which has been massively studied in medical literature for 100 years)

Really? Courtesy of PhilT: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... ring#gid=0[/url]

but are willing to mess about with what they eat each day based on a couple of websites that say Paleo.

Unlike your posts the websites I've listed back up their claims with scientific research

If you are doing the paleo diet, first thing you have to do is stop using shops, disconnect your cooker, put away cutlery

then eat on what you can find at the side of the road or can kill yourself
THAT is the Paleo diet

Please show me where these instructions are in the websites I've listed in my original post

all else is just marketing bollocks frankly.

[/quote]

More unfounded hot air and unnecessary use of expletives in the weak attempt to make a point.

[Tracieknits]

I can do this diet *because* I don't have to severely restrict myself for 5 days out of the week.

There's no way I can stick to a diet like Paleo for more than a few days. The feeling of deprivation is not worth it to me.

I fasted on Friday, and I was feeling a bit sorry for myself. So when I woke up on Saturday, I went to the patisserie, bought a loaf of baguette and croissants for the whole family. We feasted and it was brilliant. And my weight was more than adequately down this week. This is the reason I think I can do 5:2 forever.

So the consensus is...lol. 5:2 or any other form of IF allows for individuals to alter their eating patterns more so their diet. It pushes individuals to moderate their eating practises without the need for sacrificing their desires for treats/goodies which indirectly allows for a sustainable approach to healthy eating.

Be it paleo, low carb, IF, calorie counting etc.. i think what it all boils down to is moderation and reduced calorie intake. It's not one or the other but how one can actively reduce their calorie intake in a sustainable/practical manner...and that just boils down to preference.

That being said, no harm in doing both lol

I did manage to lose quite a bit of weight on low carb a couple of years ago. I am convinced by the argument by Gary Taubes and others about reducing sugar and overall carbs.

However I could not stick to the strict low carb or even maintenance long term so gradually lapsed and then put the weight back on plus a little more!

I've only being doing IF since end September last year but it feels more sustainable for me.

If you are doing the paleo diet, first thing you have to do is stop using shops, disconnect your cooker, put away cutlery

then eat on what you can find at the side of the road or can kill yourself
THAT is the Paleo diet

Really? Are you making a serious contribution to the debate or just being facetious? I've not seen any Paelo site which advocates eating raw road kill.

I do take your point, Skippyscuffleton and, like RachelT7, am convinced by the argument put forward by Taubes et al re sugar and carbs but I am equally convinced about the benefits of IF. A respected thyroid specialist (Dr Sarah Myhill) is of the opinion that Paleo is the best eating regime for people with a compromised metabolism due to thyroid disease (as in my own case) but, like everyone else, I would be miserable without my occasional 'treat' carbs which is what makes 5:2 so attractive.

We're all on a journey of discovery and will find what suits each of us best by trial and error, and keeping an open mind.

Surely roadkill can't be Paleo, given the absence of roads in that period

"Paleo" seems very loosely defined to me, different writers have their own take on it.

[Tracieknits]

I read it as TalkingPeace was saying hunting and gathering, not literally roadkill. S/he said "gather by the side of the road or kill yourself". I'm really not sure how that turned into roadkill by the responses.

The stuff I had read about paleo talked a lot about hunter-gatherers, so I really don't think it's that far of a leap or that terribly disrespectful. Although the one person I do know who does attempt paleo uses her vitamix like crazy, so she hasn't quite put away all of her kitchenware

There was a fascinating BBC2 programme about pre Roman UK eating.
In Winter the diet comprised
Lots of Buckthorn berries, pignut, burdock roots, dandelion roots, and hopefully some Venison or boar or squirrel (no rabbits remember).
Fish if you were very lucky and pigeon ditto.
And some grass seed unleavened bread.
Nom.

I think, like many people here have said, the joy of this way of eating is that I'm not restricting myself to certain foods, or shutting other foods out entirely. I find this very sustainable (have been doing it since August) and I know I can easily just keep on doing it. I know if I were doing something which required me to remove certain foods from my diet, all I would be able to think of would be those foods.

If the low carb diet leaves you cold just an idea would be to up the calories on the two fast days say 300 or 400 and then exercise more, less of a dump back to normal and easier to keep up long time as it is simple.